Spacex Try Again Friday Dec 21 Gps
| This flying will articulate the mode for the much anticipated Falcon Heavy flight. Read the whole story |
| I am ridiculously excited for the next few years in space. And then much to look forward to and I feel like the technology is advancing at an accelerating footstep. Not in the way it did where everything just came together for the Apollo landings in the 60s and 70s either. This feels much more permanent. |
| Quote: One source told Ars that SpaceX is launching the payload for the National Reconnaissance Office, but the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would y'all wait anything less from the spy satellite agency?) I was wondering about that aforementioned possibility back in November and got thoroughly downvoted for my try https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11 ... t-34343117 | |
| Last edited past Ecmaster76 on Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:22 am |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you wait annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) Aye given NRO maintains a public list of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If zip else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to accept an unmanifested payload out in that location. My estimate is it is not NRO'south bird. They have no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more than impressive undercover squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks like. NRO has aknowledged putting vii of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png | |
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| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nix else information technology would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out at that place. My guess is it is non NRO's bird. They accept no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion course satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. I'm sorry simply that's incredibly naïve. The *very being* of the NRO was classified for decades even though anyone with a pair of eyeballs could encounter their launches going off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... #Beingness Just considering an agency acknowledges many of their programs does not mean they will acknowledge all of them. EDIT: Downvoters are welcome to post proof that the NRO has never launched a payload they would not acknowledge (proficient luck with that) | |
| Last edited by Ecmaster76 on Tue Jan 02, 2018 nine:23 am |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Only really, would y'all expect annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My guess is it is non NRO's bird. They accept no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more than impressive underground squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 human foot radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the affair for launch and unfold it in orbit. Zuma goes start, followed past Marshall, Rubble and Heaven... |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite bureau?) Yep given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If naught else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to accept an unmanifested payload out there. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They take no reason to lie. They have "claimed" far more impressive surreptitious squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion form satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold information technology in orbit. Zuma goes outset, followed past Marshall, Rubble and Sky... Chase is already in orbit and Rider is the code proper noun for control. If the dish is that big, can it be seen regularly in the night sky? |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you wait annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public listing of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else information technology would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out in that location. My gauge is information technology is not NRO'south bird. They have no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more than impressive clandestine squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 human foot radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold information technology in orbit. Very carefully. No the level of origami information technology would require has to be pretty absurd too bad 99.999% of the population will never know how they did it. It would suck to be a spacecraft engineer working on one of these. You lot practise something totally awesome and and then can never tell anyone about information technology. | |
| Concluding edited by Statistical on Tue Jan 02, 2018 nine:28 am |
| Beijing. And so freaky how there's no recognizable name for the Chinese Undercover Service. Now that's what you call a hugger-mugger, right? Why would the payload be any different. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yeah given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If cypher else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to accept an unmanifested payload out at that place. My guess is it is non NRO's bird. They accept no reason to lie. They have "claimed" far more impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 human foot radio dish in orbit? That's basics. I wonder how they manage to fold the matter for launch and unfold it in orbit. Very carefully. No the level of origami it would crave has to be pretty cool besides bad 99.999% of the population volition never know how they did it. A overnice bit of spin? Might that also give additional longer term stability? |
| Quote: One source told Ars that SpaceX is launching the payload for the National Reconnaissance Function, but the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you wait annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) I was wondering well-nigh that same possibility back in November and got thoroughly downvoted for my effort https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11 ... t-34343117 Complaining virtually downvotes? That's a downvote. Complaining about downvotes from a dissimilar thread 2 months ago? That'due south two more than downvotes. On topic: I hope this goes off without a hitch, any it is. Reeeeally looking frontward to the FH launch. Man that's gonna be white-knuckle webcast viewing. |
| On topic: I hope this goes off without a hitch, whatever it is. Reeeeally looking frontwards to the FH launch. Man that's gonna be white-knuckle webcast viewing. Can there exist anyone vaguely interested in infinite (even competitors) who isn't actually looking forward to that? I only hope it's washed on a clear, sunny day (preferably at a reasonable Uk time |
| Hoping beyond promise launch is a Friday or Saturday. If it is, that is a window for wife and I to get off piece of work, travel downwards to Cocoa Beach from Tallahassee and visit her father for launch. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Only really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They take no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more impressive clandestine squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. I'm sorry just that's incredibly naïve. The *very existence* of the NRO was classified for decades even though anyone with a pair of eyeballs could run across their launches going off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... #Existence Just because an agency acknowledges many of their programs does not hateful they volition acknowledge all of them. EDIT: Downvoters are welcome to post proof that the NRO has never launched a payload they would not acknowledge (practiced luck with that) The thing about launches is that they are obvious, and everyone knows you sent something upwards. The matter near infinite is that there is nowhere to hide near World, and then anybody who knows you just launched something tin can train their much more easily built basis avails on your satellite and figure out what it is. In the modern age there is non much point to hiding annihilation yous could encounter from the outside, like its existence. |
| The whole government bending is a smokescreen. This is only the beginning of many launches for Musk's Moonraker station. |
| Quote: I source told Ars that SpaceX is launching the payload for the National Reconnaissance Office, but the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Simply actually, would yous expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) I was wondering well-nigh that same possibility back in November and got thoroughly downvoted for my attempt https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/11 ... t-34343117 Complaining about downvotes? That's a downvote. Complaining about downvotes from a different thread 2 months ago? That'due south two more than downvotes. On topic: I hope this goes off without a hitch, any it is. Reeeeally looking frontwards to the FH launch. Human being that's gonna exist white-knuckle webcast viewing. On occasion I will spit into the wind. Information technology just gets really frustrating when you tin can take a non-trolling mail downvoted into oblivion without anyone posting every bit much as a counterargument You could wing the F-117 in a video game before the Air Forcefulness acknowledged its existence. That'southward just how this kind of thing works sometimes. The air forcefulness probably had a public list of all its airplanes back and so that omitted the F-117. Zuma may very well not exist an NRO payload but the simply people who could really bear witness/disprove its nature probably cannot practice and then publicly |
| "Northrup"? Northrop. |
| The whole government angle is a smokescreen. This is only the starting time of many launches for Musk's Moonraker station. I presume it'll exist congenital with better structural integrity than Drax's version... |
| A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That'south nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold it in orbit. Very advisedly. No the level of origami it would require has to be pretty absurd too bad 99.999% of the population will never know how they did it. It would suck to be a spacecraft engineer working on one of these. Yous do something totally crawly and then can never tell anyone virtually information technology. Uhm, discussing it on a public forum is a pretty good indication there is public knowledge of it. The folding antenna technology is covered by a publicly viewable patent IIRC. Also, information technology was previously used on a smaller scale for the privately owned TerreStar-1 satellite, which immune for satellite phones with antennas no larger than conventional cell phones. The company behind it failed and the bird was bought by Dish Network. edit: grammar | |
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| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Aye given NRO maintains a public list of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nada else information technology would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My approximate is it is not NRO'southward bird. They have no reason to lie. They take "claimed" far more than impressive cloak-and-dagger squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks like. NRO has aknowledged putting seven of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png Wow, did they design that in KSP? With that many struts...... | |
| Last edited past Z06 Vette on Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:48 am |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Only really, would yous expect anything less from the spy satellite bureau?) Yeah given NRO maintains a public listing of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to accept an unmanifested payload out there. My judge is information technology is not NRO's bird. They have no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more impressive cloak-and-dagger squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion course satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks like. NRO has aknowledged putting seven of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png I'm pretty certain they do have 100m radio dishes, every bit that's pretty hands confirmed from surface observation. Satellites are difficult to hide. And a 100m radio dish isn't that implausible, since no superstructure is needed in orbit and the material to unfold into a parabolic dish isn't heavy, painted aluminum foil would do the trick, although I wouldn't be surprised if they used gilt foil. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite bureau?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If cypher else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out at that place. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They have no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That's basics. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold information technology in orbit. Very carefully. No the level of origami it would require has to be pretty cool too bad 99.999% of the population will never know how they did it. A nice flake of spin? Might that besides requite additional longer term stability? Non if you want the dish to signal toward World all the time. the origami involves how exercise you fold it up then it can go in a the fiddling tiny box on top of the rocket. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Just actually, would you look anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yep given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nada else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to take an unmanifested payload out there. My gauge is it is non NRO'southward bird. They have no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more than impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. I'1000 sorry but that'due south incredibly naïve. The *very being* of the NRO was classified for decades even though anyone with a pair of eyeballs could run into their launches going off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... #Existence But because an agency acknowledges many of their programs does not hateful they will acknowledge all of them. EDIT: Downvoters are welcome to mail proof that the NRO has never launched a payload they would not acknowledge (good luck with that) The affair almost launches is that they are obvious, and anybody knows you sent something upward. The matter about space is that there is nowhere to hibernate most Earth, then everyone who knows you just launched something can railroad train their much more than easily congenital basis assets on your satellite and effigy out what it is. In the modern age there is not much point to hiding annihilation you could run into from the outside, like its existence. That'due south pretty much been true since the starting time satellite was launched. Like I said earlier the NRO'southward very being was classified for ~30 years. You could make the aforementioned argument about any other bureau. Since none of the others will claim it either most probable. Nosotros know its a Us regime payload and so it has to be one of them. |
| It just gets actually frustrating when you tin can have a non-trolling post downvoted into oblivion without anyone posting equally much as a counterargument This definitely happens here and it'due south very irritating; as I've said before you wouldn't practise this in real life - why let it online? I almost always make a point of explaining my (rare) down votes. |
| It'southward something to marvel at, or mayhap it is just me-- that Zuma may-or-may-not exist an intelligence asset (Super Sekrit Squirrel!) is playing 2d fiddle to the fact it is a rocket launch before the much predictable Falcon Heavy launch. And the FH is what everyone REALLY wants to see. Business every bit usual vs. a fable in the making. Every respect for those who keep us safe, simply the days of James Bond are over. TO MARS. (For SCIENCE!!!!!) |
| Quote: Ane source told Ars that SpaceX is launching the payload for the National Reconnaissance Role, but the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you lot await anything less from the spy satellite agency?) I was wondering about that same possibility back in November and got thoroughly downvoted for my endeavor https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/xi ... t-34343117 Lament about downvotes? That'due south a downvote. Complaining well-nigh downvotes from a different thread 2 months agone? That's 2 more downvotes. On topic: I hope this goes off without a hitch, whatsoever it is. Reeeeally looking forrad to the FH launch. Man that's gonna be white-knuckle webcast viewing. On occasion I will spit into the wind. It just gets really frustrating when you can have a non-trolling post downvoted into oblivion without anyone posting every bit much as a counterargument You could fly the F-117 in a video game before the Air Strength acknowledged its existence. That's just how this kind of thing works sometimes. The air force probably had a public list of all its airplanes back so that omitted the F-117. Zuma may very well non exist an NRO payload merely the only people who could actually bear witness/disprove its nature probably cannot practice and so publicly Getting votes on a forum similar this has nothing to do with being right or wrong. You go voted on whether or non people share your opinion. Someone disagrees with you lot? That'south a downvote. He might too exist a apartment earther, he'll still downvote yous to hell because you lot contradict him. So stop worrying almost that. You can't please everybody. In this particular case it's impossible for whatever regular person to *know* what exactly that payload is, what it does, who it belongs to. All we can practice is presume. On another topic, in space you lot don't need as much support for a dish and so no, well-nigh of the struts in the picture linked in a higher place are non necessary. It works with a much more bones and lighter frame. |
| I wonder how many of my fellow South African Arsians are having a chuckle at this right now... | |
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| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you look anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public listing of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nix else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My approximate is it is not NRO's bird. They take no reason to prevarication. They accept "claimed" far more impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 pes radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold information technology in orbit. Zuma goes start, followed past Marshall, Rubble and Sky... Chase is already in orbit and Rider is the code name for control. If the dish is that large, tin can it exist seen regularly in the night heaven? Not with the naked eye- GEO is far away- merely they are observable with binoculars. I have heard that they have been recorded with an credible magnitude of +8, similar to the planet Neptune. Compare the ISS, which is about that big and in LEO. It is easily visible with the naked heart when lit by the Sun, with a magnitude varying from -1.eight to -five.viii (always brighter than Sirius, sometimes brighter than Venus). Notation: The calibration is logarithmic such that a magnitude 0 object is 100 times brighter than a magnitude +five object. |
| A 300 pes radio dish in orbit? That'south nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold it in orbit. Very advisedly. No the level of origami information technology would require has to be pretty cool too bad 99.999% of the population will never know how they did it. It would suck to exist a spacecraft engineer working on one of these. You do something totally crawly and then can never tell anyone about information technology. Uhm, discussing information technology on on public forum is a pretty skillful indicator at that place is public noesis of it. The folding antenna applied science is covered by a publicly viewable patent IIRC. Also, it was previously used on a smaller scale for the privately endemic TerreStar-1 satellite, which allowed for satellite phones with antennas no larger than conventional cell phones. The company behind information technology failed and the bird was bought past Dish Network. I mean knowledge of exactly how. The engineer in me would like to see details on how they put a 100m dish inside a iv x 13m cylinder (fairing interior dimensions). Yeah we know it is exists (although exact specs are deined by the NRO) but the cool parts the how is absent-minded. If this was a scientific payload ars likely would accept a detailed article on how it works and how they deployed it but alas the absurd technology is subconscious behind the I regrettably concede necessary veil of national security. | |
| Last edited by Statistical on Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:00 am |
| Will there exist a livestream? | |
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| A 300 pes radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the matter for launch and unfold it in orbit. Very carefully. No the level of origami it would require has to be pretty absurd too bad 99.999% of the population will never know how they did information technology. It would suck to exist a spacecraft engineer working on i of these. You do something totally crawly and then can never tell anyone nearly it. Uhm, discussing it on on public forum is a pretty good indicator there is public knowledge of it. The folding antenna engineering is covered by a publicly viewable patent IIRC. Also, it was previously used on a smaller calibration for the privately endemic TerreStar-one satellite, which immune for satellite phones with antennas no larger than conventional prison cell phones. The company behind it failed and the bird was bought past Dish Network. I mean noesis of exactly how. The engineer in me would like to encounter details on how they put a 100m dish inside a 4 x 13m cylinder (fairing interior dimensions). Aye we know information technology is exists (although exact specs are deined by the NRO) but the cool parts the how is absent-minded. What almost inflatable using some sort of 2-part expanding foam? Also the dish don't you need solar panels equally well? |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Simply really, would yous expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yeah given NRO maintains a public list of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If zilch else information technology would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to accept an unmanifested payload out there. My judge is it is non NRO's bird. They take no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks similar. NRO has aknowledged putting 7 of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png I'one thousand pretty certain they exercise have 100m radio dishes, equally that'south pretty hands confirmed from surface observation. Satellites are hard to hibernate. And a 100m radio dish isn't that implausible, since no superstructure is needed in orbit and the material to unfold into a parabolic dish isn't heavy, painted aluminum foil would do the trick, although I wouldn't be surprised if they used gold foil. Agreed I didn't mean to indicate a dish in space would wait identical just throwing the light-green bank out there as an example considering otherwise it can be tough to visualize exactly how big a 100m dish is. Here is an applied science sketch of what Orion may wait similar only it doesn't actually convey the sense of calibration. Anyways I accept derailed this enough. My point just was that NRO has acknowledged some pretty impressive secret squirrel missions over the years that if they explicitly deny Zuma I would wager it really does belong to someone else. | |
| Last edited by Statistical on Tue January 02, 2018 xi:10 am |
| A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That's nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold it in orbit. Very carefully. No the level of origami it would require has to exist pretty cool likewise bad 99.999% of the population volition never know how they did information technology. It would suck to exist a spacecraft engineer working on ane of these. Y'all do something totally awesome and then can never tell anyone nigh it. Uhm, discussing it on on public forum is a pretty good indicator there is public cognition of it. The folding antenna engineering science is covered by a publicly viewable patent IIRC. Likewise, it was previously used on a smaller calibration for the privately endemic TerreStar-1 satellite, which allowed for satellite phones with antennas no larger than conventional cell phones. The company behind it failed and the bird was bought past Dish Network. I hateful cognition of exactly how. The engineer in me would like to run across details on how they put a 100m dish inside a 4 ten 13m cylinder (fairing interior dimensions). Aye we know information technology is exists (although exact specs are deined by the NRO) but the absurd parts the how is absent-minded. If this was a scientific payload ars likely would have a detailed commodity on how it works and how they deployed it but alas the absurd applied science is hidden behind the I regrettably concede necessary veil of national security. The real trick is getting the matter to deploy to the verbal shape needed for its parabolic dish. If you're off past fifty-fifty a tiny little bit, the antenna won't piece of work very well, if at all. Y'all can get some idea how it'due south washed past looking at deployable antennas that aren't "black". I know someone who worked on one facet of the design of the TDRS dishes (he has a film of the matter in orbit withal in the shuttle's payload bay with lots of signatures on it). He'll talk near that program all 24-hour interval long, just anything else he'southward worked on is pretty much off limits. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Just actually, would you lot look anything less from the spy satellite bureau?) Yeah given NRO maintains a public list of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nix else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They take no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more impressive undercover squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion form satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks like. NRO has aknowledged putting seven of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png Ummnggfffhhh... That's quite something. Especially when y'all think how much fun and games that NASA are having putting the JSWT into infinite - and the primary mirror on JSWT is 6.5 metres, non even 7% of that diameter. OK, nosotros'd have to concede that the tolerances demanded by JSWT are going to be orders of magnitude beyond a 100m NRO collector dish... Simply still, that's properly bonkers. |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you wait anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yep given NRO maintains a public list of their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out there. My judge is information technology is not NRO's bird. They have no reason to lie. They take "claimed" far more than impressive secret squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. To put it into perspective this is what a 100m radio dish looks like. NRO has aknowledged putting seven of these in geo orbit. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... px-GBT.png In addition, the NRO's getting less and less secretive overall in an try to maintain some visibility in the funding sphere inside Congress. "National Sigint/Recon" looks a lot better equally a line-item than "Unknown/Classified." The old is more likely to become prophylactic-stamped "yes" than the latter. If annihilation, this satellite belongs to one of the test branches for the USAF. A lot of "classified" missions to LEO take been quick-decay GPS tests in prep of replacing our (insufficiently) ancient GPS satellites. They unremarkably stay classified for the duration of the tests, and so go declassified in one case things're analyzed and either implemented or scrapped. Unfortunately, a lot of that is a production of defence force companies abusing the classified organization to hibernate non-patented examination equipment from competitors. In curt, the likelihood of this being some super-secret device is negligible at best. It's probably something routine, and in the long-term beneficial to even civilians. At that place's a lot wrong with our current government/administration, but this is not i of those things. | |
| Last edited by Ravant on Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:35 am |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would yous look annihilation less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If aught else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to have an unmanifested payload out at that place. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They accept no reason to prevarication. They have "claimed" far more than impressive undercover squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That'south nuts. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold it in orbit. Zuma goes first, followed past Marshall, Rubble and Sky... Chase is already in orbit and Passenger is the code name for control. If the dish is that big, can it be seen regularly in the dark sky? It wouldn't be equally massive every bit the i in that photo. Given that they'd be deployed into a microgravity environment they would demand much less in the mode of a superstructure to support it. But if the primary radio dish is indeed 300+ anxiety in diameter and so one would look it could exist seen at night. You would think amateur astronomers would have posted photographs of it by now... |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (But really, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yep given NRO maintains a public listing of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nothing else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to take an unmanifested payload out there. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They take no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more impressive clandestine squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. I'm sorry but that's incredibly naïve. The *very beingness* of the NRO was classified for decades fifty-fifty though anyone with a pair of eyeballs could see their launches going off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... #Existence Just because an agency acknowledges many of their programs does not mean they will acknowledge all of them. EDIT: Downvoters are welcome to post proof that the NRO has never launched a payload they would non acknowledge (proficient luck with that) The affair most launches is that they are obvious, and everyone knows you sent something up. The thing about space is that there is nowhere to hide about World, then everyone who knows you just launched something tin train their much more than easily congenital ground assets on your satellite and effigy out what it is. In the modern age at that place is not much point to hiding anything you could see from the outside, like its existence. That's pretty much been true since the kickoff satellite was launched. Similar I said before the NRO's very beingness was classified for ~xxx years. You could brand the same argument about whatever other agency. Since none of the others will claim it either most likely. We know its a US government payload then information technology has to be one of them. This i routinely lists their satellites, and then it is fairly conceivable when they say information technology is not theirs. If information technology does turn out to be a spy satellite, everyone however knows it was launched by the U.s.a.. If annihilation not being claimed by the bureau which usually does this volition describe more attention than usual. |
| Volition at that place be a livestream? Presumably yes. They've done them for other classified missions. We just don't get to run into the 2d phase part of the flying. |
| Probably the best estimate for how the Orion antenna gets folded for launch is to think of how a compact umbrella folds up, with a ring of segments that fold in on themselves. Gumman is idea to be the prime number contractor for Orion as well, every bit information technology is for JWST, which should help folks have a little more than confidence in JWST'south unfolding sequence of mirrors and sunshade. | |
| Last edited by yokem55 on Tue Jan 02, 2018 x:18 am |
| Quote: the NRO has denied that Zuma is its satellite. (Only actually, would you expect anything less from the spy satellite agency?) Yes given NRO maintains a public list of all their missions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_launches If nada else it would probably driven the anal retentive types at the NRO crazy to take an unmanifested payload out at that place. My guess is it is not NRO's bird. They have no reason to lie. They accept "claimed" far more impressive hole-and-corner squirrel missions. NROL-37 is an Orion class satellite that has a 100m radio dish for SIGINT operations. A 300 foot radio dish in orbit? That's basics. I wonder how they manage to fold the thing for launch and unfold information technology in orbit. Zuma goes first, followed past Marshall, Rubble and Sky... Chase is already in orbit and Rider is the code proper name for control. If the dish is that large, can it be seen regularly in the night sky? It wouldn't be as massive as the one in that photo. Given that they'd exist deployed into a microgravity environment they would need much less in the way of a superstructure to support it. But if the primary radio dish is indeed 300+ feet in diameter then one would await it could be seen at night. You lot would remember amateur astronomers would have posted photographs of information technology by at present... From a Dunning Kruger perspective, I'd approximate the dish is blackness at most wavelengths, probably not especially densely filled (it actively doesn't desire to reflect optical light) and flown and so equally to carefully avoid appearing in front of the moon. |
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